《protagoras》

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distinguished or undistinguished according to their own natural



capacities as flute…players; and the son of a good player would



often turn out to be a bad one; and the son of a bad player to be a



good one; all flute…players would be good enough in comparison of



those who were ignorant and unacquainted with the art of



flute…playing? In like manner I would have you consider that he who



appears to you to be the worst of those who have been brought up in



laws and humanities; would appear to be a just man and a master of



justice if he were to be compared with men who had no education; or



courts of justice; or laws; or any restraints upon them which



compelled them to practise virtue…with the savages; for example;



whom the poet Pherecrates exhibited on the stage at the last year's



Lenaean festival。 If you were living among men such as the



man…haters in his Chorus; you would be only too glad to meet with



Eurybates and Phrynondas; and you would sorrowfully long to revisit



the rascality of this part of the world。 you; Socrates; are



discontented; and why? Because all men are teachers of virtue; each



one according to his ability; and you say; Where are the teachers? You



might as well ask; Who teaches Greek? For of that too there will not



be any teachers found。 Or you might ask; Who is to teach the sons of



our artisans this same art which they have learned of their fathers?



He and his fellow…workmen have taught them to the best of their



ability;…but who will carry them further in their arts? And you



would certainly have a difficulty; Socrates; in finding a teacher of



them; but there would be no difficulty in finding a teacher of those



who are wholly ignorant。 And this is true of virtue or of anything



else; if a man is better able than we are to promote virtue ever so



little; we must be content with the result。 A teacher of this sort I



believe myself to be; and above all other men to have the knowledge



which makes a man noble and good; and I give my pupils their



money's…worth; and even more; as they themselves confess。 And



therefore I have introduced the following mode of payment:…When a



man has been my pupil; if he likes he pays my price; but there is no



compulsion; and if he does not like; he has only to go into a temple



and take an oath of the value of the instructions; and he pays no more



than he declares to be their value。



  Such is my Apologue; Socrates; and such is the argument by which I



endeavour to show that virtue may be taught; and that this is the



opinion of the Athenians。 And I have also attempted to show that you



are not to wonder at good fathers having bad sons; or at good sons



having bad fathers; of which the sons of Polycleitus afford an



example; who are the companions of our friends here; Paralus and



Xanthippus; but are nothing in comparison with their father; and



this is true of the sons of many other artists。 As yet I ought not



to say the same of Paralus and Xanthippus themselves; for they are



young and there is still hope of them。



  Protagoras ended; and in my ear







    So charming left his voice; that I the while



    Thought him still speaking; still stood fixed to hear。







At length; when the truth dawned upon me; that he had really finished;



not without difficulty I began to collect myself; and looking at



Hippocrates; I said to him: O son of Apollodorus; how deeply



grateful I am to you for having brought me hither; I would not have



missed the speech of Protagoras for a great deal。 For I used to



imagine that no human care could make men good; but I know better now。



Yet I have still one very small difficulty which I am sure that



Protagoras will easily explain; as he has already explained so much。



If a man were to go and consult Pericles or any of our great



speakers about these matters; he might perhaps hear as fine a



discourse; but then when one has a question to ask of any of them;



like books; they can neither answer nor ask; and if any one challenges



the least particular of their speech; they go ringing on in a long



harangue; like brazen pots; which when they are struck continue to



sound unless some one puts his hand upon them; whereas our friend



Protagoras can not only make a good speech; as he has already shown;



but when he is asked a question he can answer briefly; and when he



asks he will wait and hear the answer; and this is a very rare gift。



Now I; Protagoras; want to ask of you a little question; which if



you will only answer; I shall be quite satisfied。 You were saying that



virtue can be taught;…that I will take upon your authority; and



there is no one to whom I am more ready to trust。 But I marvel at



one thing about which I should like to have my mind set at rest。 You



were speaking of Zeus sending justice and reverence to men; and



several times while you were speaking; justice; and temperance; and



holiness; and all these qualities; were described by you as if



together they made up virtue。 Now I want you to tell me truly



whether virtue is one whole; of which justice and temperance and



holiness are parts; or whether all these are only the names of one and



the same thing: that is the doubt which still lingers in my mind。



  There is no difficulty; Socrates; in answering that the qualities of



which you are speaking are the parts of virtue which is one。



  And are they parts; I said; in the same sense in which mouth;



nose; and eyes; and ears; are the parts of a face; or are they like



the parts of gold; which differ from the whole and from one another



only in being larger or smaller?



  I should say that they differed; Socrates; in the first way; they



are related to one another as the parts of a face are related to the



whole face。



  And do men have some one part and some another part of virtue? Of if



a man has one part; must he also have all the others?



  By no means; he said; for many a man is brave and not just; or



just and not wise。



  You would not deny; then; that courage and wisdom are also parts



of virtue?



  Most undoubtedly they are; he answered; and wisdom is the noblest of



the parts。



  And they are all different from one another? I said。



  Yes。



  And has each of them a distinct function like the parts of the



face;…the eye; for example; is not like the ear; and has not the



same functions; and the other parts are none of them like one another;



either in their functions; or in any other way? I want to know whether



the comparison holds concerning the parts of virtue。 Do they also



differ from one another in themselves and in their functions? For that



is clearly what the simile would imply。



  Yes; Socrates; you are right in supposing that they differ。



  Then; I said; no other part of virtue is like knowledge; or like



justice; or like courage; or like temperance; or like holiness?



  No; he answered。



  Well then; I said; suppose that you and I enquire into their



natures。 And first; you would agree with me that justice is of the



nature of a thing; would you not? That is my opinion: would it not



be yours also?



  Mine also; he said。



  And suppose that some one were to ask us; saying; 〃O Protagoras; and



you; Socrates; what about this thing which you were calling justice;



is it just or unjust?〃…and I were to answer; just: would you vote with



me or against me?



  With you; he said。



  Thereupon I should answer to him who asked me; that justice is of



the nature of the just: would not you?



  Yes; he said。



  And suppose that he went on to say: 〃Well now; is there also such



a thing as holiness? 〃we should answer; 〃Yes;〃 if I am not mistaken?



  Yes; he said。



  Which you would also acknowledge to be a thing…should we not say so?



  He assented。



  〃And is this a sort of thing which is of the nature of the holy;



or of the nature of the unholy?〃 I should be angry at his putting such



a question; and should say; 〃Peace; man; nothing can be holy if



holiness is not holy。〃 What would you say? Would you not answer in the



same way?



  Certainly; he said。



  And then after this suppose that he came and asked us; 〃What were



you saying just now? Perhaps I may not have heard you rightly; but you



seemed to me to be saying that the parts of virtue were not the same



as one another。〃 I should reply; 〃You certainly heard that said; but



not; as you imagine; by me; for I only asked the question;



Protagoras gave the answer。〃 And suppose that he turned to you and



said; 〃Is this true; Protagoras? and do you maintain that one part



of virtue is unlike another; and is this your position?〃…how would you



answer him?



  I could not help acknowledging the truth of what he said; Socrates。



  Well then; Protagoras; we will assume this; and now supposing that



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